Everything what I've told you until now I repeated exactly from the 1st hand experience that was given to me. I will talk with this lady again tomorrow and try to clarify some points that were raised. Until that thank you for hearing me out, even if some are not exactly giving me a benefit of the doubt ;).
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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it's just you mentioned a couple of rooms
I'm not a native speaker, I assumed that "couple" would be understood as "few", as in 2-9. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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as there is no obligation for a Witness stop working for a newly DF/DA person and surely some of them would not be able to afford to do so
I hear you, but you underestimate the power of groupthink. I imagine that after the midweek meeting this was announced they've all gathered and decided to act like that as a group. It's hard to think for yourself when everybody else says that you should do this or that.
Also while like you said there is no obligation to do it, remember that on this year's convention they've basically said that it's not ok to pick up the phone from your DF'd daughter. So in their minds working for an apostate could be even worse.
I am also wondering how a small (two?) room hotel can support 24+ employees
From what I was told it had six rooms, so it's not all that unreasonable. Maids, kitchen, reception, and probably other positions I didn't think of would fill it easily.
Anyway, this is something I've learned just yesterday so I don't have all the details yet. I will get back to you with more as soon as I get more information.
Polish, more like Pledge Furniture Polish , all glistening and no substance
Wow, one thing I did not expect on these forums was hostility, guess I was wrong. Maybe this was not the best place to look for this kind of help...
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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Man I so wish this story to be true, the "letter to the judge" is simply priceless!
I was told that after the case is complete this letter will be released to her as a part of case documentation and we will be able to publish it. Let's hope that it goes this way.
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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This story is just in the making, she went for an interview just today, so you won't find it anywhere yet. When it gets online anywhere I will certainly let you know. I didn't want to share any personal details to protect this woman's privacy, because it's the Internet, so you never know. I'll give you the name of the congregation as soon as I know it myself, because out of all things I asked today I forgot this one :).
As for spitting in her face - as I've said, there were cameras there and she said she will probably get the recording later. Again, if I get something I will share it.
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
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TL;DR: If you live either in Scotland or in other parts of UK and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow Ex-JW by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of JWs who have ruined their business. Please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (I will know these details in few days probably).
PS. This story was also posted on Reddit.
Main story:
So everything started with this sister from Poland and currently living in Scotland, a mother of few children with a "wordly" husband, who just got baptised about one year ago. She was enamored with the Witnesses - she thought they are kind, friendly and honest, so when she started a small hotel (just a couple of rooms, nothing very big), she hired over time 24 JWs to work there. There were only few non-JW workers in there.
One day she decided to invite few JWs over to her place for dinner. The Scottish brothers asked her to play some Polish kingdom songs, so she opened YouTube and searched. But instead of kingdom songs, a film about a judicial committee in Berlin popped out. They all watched it, and while most of the guests said it is definitely a hoax, that it couldn't be true, she didn't buy it. She saw with her own eyes that something was off in this recording (it's pretty damning for JWs, but it's only in Polish) and started digging. After three months she was certain that she don't want to be a JW anymore, and even though she was invited to a judicial committee just for sending a text to another JW about her doubts, she just sent a letter of dissassociation. So that's it, end of story, right?
Wrong. She didn't even knew that she will be announced on that day, so imagine her surprise when on the next day she received a phone call from a concerned customer telling her that her hotel is completely empty! No one at the reception, the kitchen is closed, no one to hand out the breakfast. She grabs the phone and tries to call all her employees, but nobody picks up. So she drive to their homes but again - nobody opens the door, even though she saw people inside the house. Finally she asked her non-JW husband to call them and one person answered. He told him, that this woman is now "spiritually dead to them" so they cannot associate with her and disconnected.
So imagine what she had to go through because of this - explaining this mess to her guests, didn't get them to pay anything for their stay as a reimbursement and basically become unemployed over night, because she had to close down the business. At this point she was in contact with us, and we advised her to not let JWs get away with this, so she went to the court. The prosecutor heard the story and couldn't really believe what she was hearing, but set a date for a case to be heard.
So again, imagine the surprise of the court when on that day the courtroom was empty - none of the 24 JWs who were ordered to come showed up. They only sent a letter to the court that they will not show up because... their christian conscience forbids them to show up! facepalm. The judge was enraged, said that this is an insult to the court and set a new date for the case saying, that if this is necessary, those people will be escorted by the police to the courtroom. So then our sister leaves the courthouse. Just outside the door she sees a local elder and his wife, both her ex-employees. The elder shouts to her - "how you dare to speak against the organization!", and his wife approached and... spit the sister in the face. She was shocked. The people she genuinely thought were they friends were now not only unfriendly, they were actually aggressive. She went back to the court and explained what just happened, to which the prosecutor replied that there is a camera outside and the whole thing is most probably on the tape. This tape will be available for her later on. What's more, a big local newspaper picked up this story, and just today the sister went there to give an interview on how this "loving" organization turned up against her and ruined her business.
Now for the part where you can actually help her out. If you live in this general area (I don't know exactly which city the case will be held in, but I will know in the coming days) I encourage you to think about going there to support her, because she is all alone over there, she doesn't know any Ex-JWs in the area and if no one comes, she will be all alone against 24+ wolves who will try to intimidate her even more. What's more, the word is that even a circuit overseer will show up on this case, so it's possible that UK branch office already knows about the case. So please, let me know if you will be able to make it there in about 1-2 weeks from now. If you don't, spread the word in other places that you know Scottish people are in. Let's not leave this brave woman alone in this hard time for her, especially after how hard she fought until now!
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Warning: Watchtower computer dept. registers accounts on Ex-JW sites, coerces people to divulge their personal details
by WTS Archive inwe had a bad experience with watchtower trying to infiltrate our forums.
let this story be a warning for all you guys here.
if you value your privacy do not ever send your real contact details to anyone, even if you trust them (because their accounts could be hacked or accessed by their relatives - and yes, this happened to people i know several times already).
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Re: blocking VPNs and Proxies. It would still be a hassle, because there are many, many services that can be used as proxies. You can't block 'em all.
And someone asked why we banned them in the first place - because they were messaging other people and while we can warn everyone we could never be sure that everyone got that warning or took it seriously.
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Warning: Watchtower computer dept. registers accounts on Ex-JW sites, coerces people to divulge their personal details
by WTS Archive inwe had a bad experience with watchtower trying to infiltrate our forums.
let this story be a warning for all you guys here.
if you value your privacy do not ever send your real contact details to anyone, even if you trust them (because their accounts could be hacked or accessed by their relatives - and yes, this happened to people i know several times already).
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If it is totally legit I can't imagine this is atop down sanctioned thing, maybe just a lone wolf?
It might be, but even if that's the case, it was a lone wolf on high position, because he had access to branch office computer after working hours. Normal Bethel workers don't have access to Bethel's network with outside Internet access after work hours.
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Warning: Watchtower computer dept. registers accounts on Ex-JW sites, coerces people to divulge their personal details
by WTS Archive inwe had a bad experience with watchtower trying to infiltrate our forums.
let this story be a warning for all you guys here.
if you value your privacy do not ever send your real contact details to anyone, even if you trust them (because their accounts could be hacked or accessed by their relatives - and yes, this happened to people i know several times already).
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It may not be common, but if it happened once, it may happen again. Hence the warning ;)
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Warning: Watchtower computer dept. registers accounts on Ex-JW sites, coerces people to divulge their personal details
by WTS Archive inwe had a bad experience with watchtower trying to infiltrate our forums.
let this story be a warning for all you guys here.
if you value your privacy do not ever send your real contact details to anyone, even if you trust them (because their accounts could be hacked or accessed by their relatives - and yes, this happened to people i know several times already).
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We had a bad experience with Watchtower trying to infiltrate our forums. Let this story be a warning for all you guys here. If you value your privacy do not EVER send your real contact details to anyone, even if you trust them (because their accounts could be hacked or accessed by their relatives - and yes, this happened to people I know several times already).
Here's a copy of a post I made on Reddit:
TL;DR: Watchtower officials registered several accounts on our forums, tried to coerce people to give them email addresses, then harassed and blackmailed them about their "apostate" activity saying they will go inform their elders. We caught them red-handed.
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So I'm running a polish Ex-JW forums site, with now over 500 users registered. Between discussions about fading, doctrine changes etc. we pride ourselves for releasing all Watchtower's confidential materials - BOE letters, video transmissions, convention videos and so on. This didn't go unnoticed by the polish branch office. 9 months ago they registered two accounts on our forums and wrote private messages to a user they thought is responsible for the leaks. They even were shameless enough to write him again some time later, harassing him. He contacted us and I've checked IP addresses of the accounts he corresponded with in RIPE Database, and lo and behold:
inetnum: 37.128.89.112 - 37.128.89.119 netname: STRAZNICA-Warszawa descr: STRAZNICA - TOWARZYSTWO BIBLIJNE I TRAKTATOWE descr: Warszawska 14 descr: Nadarzyn ... person: Rzezwicki Adrian address: Warszawska 14 address: Nadarzyn 05-830 address: Poland e-mail: [email protected] phone: +48 608 555088"STRAZNICA" is polish legal name that stands for "WATCHTOWER". And Adrian Rzeźwicki is the head of their computer department, himself being a Gilead graduate (I remember him from one of JW Broadcasting videos).
And here's another one:
inetnum: 91.220.88.0 - 91.220.88.255 org-name: Wachttoren-, Bijbel en Traktaatgenootschap Kerkgenootschap ... person: Computer Department address: Wachttoren-, Bijbel- en Tractaatgenootschap address: Noordbargerstraat 77 address: 7812 AA Emmen address: Netherlands e-mail: noc.nl@jw.org phone: +31 591683555This one was, surprisingly, from Netherlands :o.
I got a permission from the user who was they wrote to to publish private messages he received. Here's a rough translation of what they wrote:
Hi, [username here]! Thanks for leaking that letter, ha ha ha! I had a good laugh when I saw that ;D ;D ;D. I wonder why folks at Nadarzyn [polish branch office] want this info? I once was tied to this organization but I woke up... good that there are people like you who are shedding light on the truth!! THANK YOU A LOT!! REGARDS ;)
After a reply, he wrote again:
(...) give me your email if you want, I'll send you a recording from my judicial committee... ha ha ha, that was funny :D. It was a mess! It was set up from the beginning, they wanted to disfellowship me all along, because I've slept with an elder's daughter... they didn't df her, but did disfellowship me!! and the worst part is that my gf broke up with me because I'm disfelloshipped... But I'll show them... I'll write to folks in Nadarzyn demanding they send me my S-77 form, or else... I have some dirt on them 8-). What you were disfellowshipped for? Email me and I'll send you the recording, here's my email: [email protected]
Unfortunately, our user was then caught off guard and actually sent them his real email address.
They've waited few months, probably to cover their tracks and make him forget those private messages, and then they've started to harass him, thinking they've found his read identity:
Hello [username here], or should I say brother [name and surname, congregation name here] because that's your real identity... :) I've sent you a Facebook message but you didn't respond... It's a pity, because I wanted to talk to you.
It was at this point when our user contacted us and we immediately banned that other guy. So he made another account, using a proxy to circumvent the IP ban, and wrote him again:
Hey [name here], What are you doing? You know very well that apostatizing is a serious sin against Jehovah... In Job 13:16 we can read: “For no godless person ['apostate' in polish] may come in before him”. You were mislead by those who lost their faith, and who do apostate work, as said in Isaiah 32:6: “For the senseless one will speak nonsense, And his heart will devise harmful things, To promote apostasy and to speak what is wayward against Jehovah, To cause the hungry one to go unfed And to deprive the thirsty one of something to drink.” Apostates drawed you from Jehovah... and they will leave you with nothing... Apostates have nothing to offer... Think it through... I give you time until Thursday to go before elders and tell them what you do, if you refuse to do it you can be sure I will inform them...
Again, the account was banned, but after few days they've a new one and wrote:
Hi! So...? Did you talk to your elders? Or do you lack courage and want me to contact them?
In the end they've used at least 7 different accounts to harass this fellow, even posting what they thought was his real name and other details publicly (which we promptly deleted). After gathering all necessary details and proof I wrote a public post exposing them, publishing their IPs and details about Rzezwicki (which are publicly available on RIPE db), the head of computer department (who probably was the one writing those messages because he accessed our site all day long, even at 10pm, which indicates it was a person who had full access to the department even after working hours). I also made sure they've read this announcement and how the people reacted to it by redirecting all traffic from their IPs to this one post. And I know they did read it. They never came back after this.
So... what do we make out of it? Just when I thought Watchtower couldn't go lower with their practices, they did. They have no problem with making-up false stories, identifies, misleading and even blackmailing people just to achieve their goals. I abhor them with my whole soul and will keep exposing them as long as I can. They praise themselves that they follow the Bible, but they probably forgot about a couple of verses, like these ones:
(Revelation 21:8) But as for the cowards (...) and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.
(Psalm 26:4) I do not associate with deceitful men, And I avoid those who hide what they are.
EDIT: Forgot got add one important bit: We will not leave this like that. By registering several accounts on our forums and circumventing our security measures when we banned them they've actually broke the law. We already contacted them using phone numbers in the RIPE db, and then directly to Legal Department. They've basically denied doing any of this. We told them that unless they write us an apology for what happened, we will take this case to court.
And trust us, we will.